TCW3 Oil rec.boats newsgroup postings #5

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"TCW III Outboard Engine Oil"

19 April 1997 to 22 April 1997

ARTICLE 1

Date: 19 Apr 1997 05:33:37 GMT
From: Max Burgess 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to always use brand name (meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He claims that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and have more problems. I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil and am tempted to start using "off brands" for half the price but the mechanic's advice worries me. I am looking for someone that has accurate information to help in this matter.

skipjack
Applachee Bay, FL

ARTICLE 2

 
Date: 20 Apr 1997 19:39:04 GMT
From: Sealegs940 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

Max twc111 out board oil is a agreed standard OMC< MERC, YAMHA dont make oil and cannot tell you to burn only there brands of oil unless they supply it free of charge to you by law. the major oil companys make the oil for all engines as long as you use a major brand you will be fine Texico makes the oil for alot of the outboards you can pick it up for about $8.00 per gal. Texico has a web site check it out .

ARTICLE 3

 
Date: 20 Apr 1997 08:51:03 -0500
From: ref 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

In article <01bc4c81$4b8f35a0$a6722cc7@fish.nettally.com>,
Max Burgess  wrote:
>I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
>(meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He claims
>that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more problems.
>I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil and  am
>tempted to start using "off brands" for half the price but the mechanic's
>advice worries me.  I am looking for someone that has accurate information
>to help in this matter.

This subject comes up on a regular basis, and while there are always lots of posts from "Ben Told," I've never really heard anything conclusive. For every mechanic that tells you to use major brand oil, there's one that says it doesn't matter.

I suspect that the major brand might have just a few more additives, but that's pure speculation. It may be a situation where the differences only come out in extreme situations. For example, if you're like me, and seldom push your outboard past 2/3 throttle, and service the motor religiously, maybe using Walmarts $7 Tech 2000 TCW-III oil will work just fine. On the other hand, if you're in some application where you spend 99% of the time pushing the motor to its absolute limit of throttle and load, the expensive oil might give you an edge in protection. Again, that's just speculation on my part.

I personally used Mercury Quicksilver TCW-!!! ($17 a gallon!) in my Merc 150 outboard for the first 150+ hours, then switched to cheaper oils, mainly Lubrimatic and sometimes Walmart's TCW-III for the next 100 hours, and I can tell *no* difference whatsoever in plug fouling, running, starting, top speed, etc. It does seem to smoke a bit less when I first start it up.

Again, when you bring this up, you'll hear everything. Keep an open mind.

Ron M.

ARTICLE 4

 
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:50:39 -0400
From: Dave Brown 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil
 
Max Burgess wrote:
>
> I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
> (meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He claims
> that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more problems.
> I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil and  am
> tempted to start using "off brands" for half the price but the mechanic's
> advice worries me.  I am looking for someone that has accurate information
> to help in this matter.

Max, I'm a sworn believer in the OEM stuff because I have seen the physical evidence of what happens to the insides of engines. I think we've come to the 'agree to disagree' point in this newsgroup so to get complete information on what's been said in the past, head over to http://www.dejanews.com and review the entire thread to help in your decision.

 
Regards,
 
                Dave Brown
                Brown's Marina

ARTICLE 5

 
Date: 21 Apr 1997 02:26:43 GMT
From: Brian Brohm 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

Some engines require special oil. Some oils contain ammonia which when combined with a non-ammonia oil base will form a big glob. Read the labels and compare.

Max Burgess  wrote in article
<01bc4c81$4b8f35a0$a6722cc7@fish.nettally.com>...
> I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
> (meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He
claims
> that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more
problems.
> I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil and  am
> tempted to start using "off brands" for half the price but the mechanic's
> advice worries me.  I am looking for someone that has accurate information
> to help in this matter.

ARTICLE 6

 
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:43:14 -0400
From: Harry Krause 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil
 
ref wrote:
 
> In article <01bc4c81$4b8f35a0$a6722cc7@fish.nettally.com>,
> Max Burgess  wrote:
> >I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
> >(meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards.
>> He claims that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more
> problems. I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil.

--

$17!!!

Holy tamale! My Merc dealer buys the Merc Super Oil in bulk and sells it in one gallon milk containers (new ones) for$11 a gallon.

 
Harry Krause     hkrause@gate.net

ARTICLE 7

Date: 21 Apr 1997 00:19:04 GMT
From: MCI <0000000@mcimail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

There's an article in this month's BASS & Walleye Magazine that says (basically) all TCW3 is good. I looked on the Web under Amzol and Lubrimatic; they had some details but nothing definitive. You can also read a lot of discussion about the same subject under the recreational boatbuilders webpage. When you consider OMC at a list price of $19.00/gal (discounted to $11.95) but you can buy Texaco Havoline for $5.99/gal, you wish some group would do a definitive test...

 
Max Burgess  wrote in article
<01bc4c81$4b8f35a0$a6722cc7@fish.nettally.com>...
>
> I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
> (meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He
claims
> that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more

ARTICLE 8

Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:03:21 -0400
From: SVEN MAGNUSON 
To: Max Burgess 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil
 
Max Burgess wrote:
>
> I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
> (meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He claims
> that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more problems.
> I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil and  am
> tempted to start using "off brands" for half the price but the mechanic's
> advice worries me.  ...

Consider this: Lubrimatic makes OMC's oil. They change the color and private label for many different "OEMs"

SVEN

ARTICLE 9

 
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:40:26 -0500
From: Bill Driscoll 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil
 
In article <335B73A9.5FB5@worldnet.att.net>,
theexpediter@worldnet.att.net says...
>
> Consider this:  Lubrimatic makes OMC's oil. They change the color and
> private label for many different "OEMs"
> Sven

Saying that I believe you and I don't, do you have any proof or is this a another internet fairy tale?

--
Bill Driscoll
Pensacola, FL. USA
bdrisc@gulfsurf.infi.net

ARTICLE 10

Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:25:27 -0400
From: SVEN MAGNUSON 
To: Bill Driscoll 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil
 
Bill Driscoll wrote:
>
> In article <335B73A9.5FB5@worldnet.att.net>,
> theexpediter@worldnet.att.net says...
> >
> > Consider this:  Lubrimatic makes OMC's oil. They change the color and
> > private label for many different "OEMs"
> > Sven
> >
> Saying that I believe you and I don't, do you have any proof or is this a
> another internet fairy tale?
> --
> Bill Driscoll

I don't beleive me either. It seems I am WRONG!!!! Evweyone please forgive me. I WILL seek counseling.

ARTICLE 11

 
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:27:53 -0500
From: Chuck Matheson 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

I am new to the boating world. All I use is lubrimatic. I have used it for about a year now on a 1989 Johnson 120. Should I be using something else??

Please advise.

ARTICLE 12

Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:17:33 -0500
From: Jim Ragsdale 
To: Bill Driscoll 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

Bill Driscoll wrote:
>
> In article <335B73A9.5FB5@worldnet.att.net>,
> theexpediter@worldnet.att.net says...
> >
> > Consider this:  Lubrimatic makes OMC's oil. They change the color and
> > private label for many different "OEMs"
> > Sven
> >
> Saying that I believe you and I don't, do you have any proof or is this a
> another internet fairy tale?
> --
> Bill Driscoll

Try this on for size,Bill....Champlin makes Yamalube...and I don't need
counciling.

ARTICLE 13
Date: 22 Apr 1997 16:12:10 GMT
From: Rob Scott 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

Max,

You say you have dual outboards - run one with an off-brand TCW 3 oil and the
other with brand names and let us know what happens.

Kidding aside, I have heard the same recommendations and have seen plenty
of threads on the subject.  Yamaha seems to think their new TCW 3 oil is
much better than their old stuff.  It's hard to tell from our perspective, but if you
have twin 225's it seems like cheap insurance to use the so called good stuff.

If you figure 1000 hours of motor life, a rough estimate of motor costs
are:

Twin 225         $28,000         The new EFI ones
Fuel Cost        $16,000         20 MPH @ 1.8 MPG or 11,111 gallons
Oil              $ 2,900         50 to 1 of the good stuff
Total            $46,900

Since you went about 20,000 miles, it cost $2.35 per mile for the good
stuff, and if you use the off brand stuff at half the price, it is about
$2.27 per mile.

If the oil does have any significance on motor life, you could end up
paying a lot more per mile than the 7 cents you save by using it.

That's the way I look at it.

Rob

PS:  I get my old containers refilled for $2 less than new ones.  You can
also purchase a 55 gallon drum and save.

Max Burgess  wrote in article
<01bc4c81$4b8f35a0$a6722cc7@fish.nettally.com>...
> I was recently advised by an outboard mechanic to  always use brand name
> (meaning Yamaha, Mercury or OMC) TCW 3 oil for my dual outboards. He claims
> that engines that use "off brands" show more wear and  have more problems.
> I am sick and tired of paying $13-15.00/gallon for brand name oil and  am
> tempted to start using "off brands" for half the price but the mechanic's
> advice worries me.  I am looking for someone that has accurate information
> to help in this matter.
>
> skipjack
> Applachee Bay, FL

ARTICLE 14
Date: 22 Apr 1997 15:51:49 -0400
From: Michael James Porter 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TCW III Outboard Engine Oil

In article <335C660D.30D2@vsta.com>, Jim Ragsdale   wrote:
=>Bill Driscoll wrote:
=>>
=>> In article <335B73A9.5FB5@worldnet.att.net>,
=>> theexpediter@worldnet.att.net says...
=>> >
=>> > Consider this:  Lubrimatic makes OMC's oil. They change the color and
=>> > private label for many different "OEMs"
=>> > Sven
=>> >
=>> Saying that I believe you and I don't, do you have any proof or is this a
=>> another internet fairy tale?
=>> --
=>> Bill Driscoll

=>Try this on for size,Bill....Champlin makes Yamalube...and I don't need
=>counciling.

Which still doesn't prove that the components and quality control
are the same for all products they make.

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